[danzer]

How is the response to the event so far? Anyone know the numbers so far? Has it passed 100?

[danzer]

Any news on the response to the race?

[Mikko Nassi]

Not sure about the numbers, but there are a fair few drivers confirmed that have never raced in Malaysia before.

[Aldi Rizky]

hey!!

i heard the entry close on 6th november.. lucky im register already.. so is there any information how many drivers have been register for each class on this big race ? ?

ciao

Aldi Rizky

[James Leong]

For those who are following the REDWHITE SANGARI KART PRIX, the entry will close tomorrow. Up todate, we have received confirmed entries totaling 31 micromax, 28 junior, 39 senior. Looks like the senior may have to go for elimination heats and 5 unlucky drivers will have to sit out after the heats.

Tomorrow is the last day for entry and maybe we may get more last minute entries. But even at this stage, the seniors will have to battle out in the elimination heats.

James Leong

[ace]

Wow, that's some awesome figures. When will the schedule be out?

A suggestion that I may have is maybe to make an 'A' final & prefinal for the qualified drivers and a 'B' final & prefinal for those who did not qualify from the heats. At least it would be more worthwhile for the current 5 drivers who didn't make it. This is what they do in the ROK finals too.

[ace]

Today is the final day of registration. James, is it possible for you to post up the entry list so that we can see the names of the people who have entered this event as well as maybe to confirm the drivers entry. Just like how they post the entry list beforehand in CIK events.

Also, what will be the schedule like and what do you think of my suggestion for the 'A' group and 'B' group?

[James Leong]

Yesterday was the last day of entry. As such we are now compiling the entry list and hope to post it early next week.

Regarding the suggestion by ace, it is not possible to run two separate finals. What we will do would be from the elimination heats, the top 24 will be in the Prefinal, with the balance drivers doing a second chance race and the top 10 drivers will join the 24 in the prefinal. This is as what is done in the Grand Finals. Sorry we are not ROK and therefore would not follow their style.

James Leong

[Paul Halliday]

That the trouble James you do not take anybody elses advice, people are paying to get themselves to this event and some may have to sit out of the final.
I have always found that B Finals keep everybody happy.

[James Leong]

Paul, I think you are out of line if you said that I do not take anybody else advice. I always weigh what people tell me and and if it is possible to do it I would always try to have it done. Running 2 finals with the second final for say maybe 6 drivers???? You think that is feasible?

I will run a second chance race for those who do not meet up to the top 24 which mean 16 drivers will race another 15 laps to see which 10 will go to the prefinal. I think this is a fairer system just like in the Grand Finals.

James Leong

[Mikko Nassi]

That the trouble James you do not take anybody elses advice, people are paying to get themselves to this event and some may have to sit out of the final.
I have always found that B Finals keep everybody happy.

Does the "B final" mean that there is no 2nd chance heat? I don't like that suggestion because it could leave one of the fastest drivers without a place in the final (bad luck in one of the two heats such as getting taken out).

Just think of the 2nd chance race as a "B Final" with the added bonus that the top 6 get to go into the final stage. This is the way almost all karting events are run, except for the ROK finals it seems.

As it is with 40 drivers the 2nd chance heat would have 12 drivers fighting for a top 6 finish and making it into the 2nd chance race. The heats and a 2nd chance race. For those that make their way through the 2nd chance they get an extra race on top of it all. It seems that you get no more racing with a B final?

As it is the "B final" would only have 6 drivers . Is that really better than having a 12 driver race with something to actually aim for? I don't see the point in having a "2nd chance race" that isn't really a 2nd chance race, when it doesn't even give any more racing to the drivers that don't make the finals.

I'll see if I can find the ROK format anywhere to have a look through because I don't know all the details, like I said I don't like that it seems as if an unlucky driver has no 2nd chance to make the final, which is the entire point of a 2nd chance heat.

Below are the CIK regulations for heats that apply to the current situation, and they are the CIK regulations that Rotax follows, and this event follows. I think the regulations are pretty well thought out, and there's no point to reinvent them.

18C - Qualifying Heats

Case B : 37 to 108 entered Drivers or participants - At the
end of Qualifying Practice, Drivers will be separated into
groups for the Qualifying Heats. The number of Drivers
per group will be 18 maximum. Each group must compete
versus all the other groups.

- As an example, in the case of a separation of Drivers into
4 groups, the Driver classified 1st in Qualifying Practice will
be in group A, the 2nd in group B, the 3rd in group C, the 4th
in group D, the 5th in group A, the 6th in group B, the 7th in
group C, the 8th in group D, and so on.

- Each of the four above-mentioned groups will compete
against the other groups, i.e. : A versus B, A versus C, A
versus D, B versus C, B versus D and C versus D, namely
a total of six Qualifying Heats. Each Qualifying Heat will
have a distance of approximately 10 or 15 km according to
the age bracket of Drivers (Juniors/Seniors).

- For the Qualifying Heats, points will be awarded as fol-
lows : 0 point to the 1st, 2 points to the 2nd, 3 points to the
3rd and so on according to an increasing progression of
one point per place. If a Driver does not take the start in
a Qualifying Heat, he will receive a number of points equal
to the number of participants of groups A and B plus 1.
If a Driver has been black-flagged or excluded, he will
receive a number of points equal to the number of partici-
pants of groups A and B plus 2.

- Any Driver who has not covered all the laps scheduled,
even if he has not finished the Qualifying Heat, will be
classified according to the number of laps he has actually
completed.

- At the end of the Qualifying Heats, the first 28 classified
Drivers will be qualified for the final phase. Possible ties
between two or several Drivers will be settled according
to their classification in Qualifying Practice.

18D - Second Chance Heat

Only the first 34 non-qualified Drivers may participate in
the Second Chance Heat of approximately 10 or 15 km
according to the age bracket of the Drivers - Juniors/
Seniors).

Starting positions will be determined according to the total
number of points obtained in the Qualifying Heats.
the first 6 finishers will be qualified for the final phase.

The first 6 finishers will be qualified for the final phase and
will occupy the last 6 places on the Grid of the Pre-Final or of
race 1, according to their finishing order at the end of the
Second Chance Heat.

The other option of course would be to have a masters category without prize money, which I assume would bring the senior grid to 34 or less.

Edit: James you remembered the numbers slightly wrong - it is 28 direct into the final phase, and 6 move up from the 2nd chance heat.

[James Leong]

Mikko, thanks for pointing out to me. I stand corrected. The first 28 drivers will go directly to the Prefinal with the balance running the second chance race and the top 6 will move to the prefinal.

I think this is the system to follow unless the masters want to have a race on their own without the prize money. If you feel this way, please let me know early so that we do not have to go through the headache of revising the time schedule to do the elimination heats.

James Leong

[guyermer]

I would be happy to race masters with no prize money

[Mikko Nassi]

Guy it seems all the other masters drivers are after the prize money. Senior entries at 45.

[guyermer]

Its going to be carnage.