[James Leong]

At drivers briefing, it would be spelt out clearly to all drivers that irregardless of who is at fault, both drivers will be penalised by a 10 seconds penalty. This pushing and taking off another driver have to stop. If after that a driver continues to do it, he will be banned from our races.

I will ensure that this is followed.

James Leong

[wanannuar]

I dont think that is quite right James. It is just like a robber who comes to my house but got caught and convicted. The irony of it is that both of us kena jail. I am the victim here.

Anyway need to speak to you. Let me know when is the best time to call you.

[danzer]

I agree with both James and wanannuar. I agree that this shoving of people have to stop. But I also agree that what James suggested isn't quite fair. It has to stop as there have just been too many of these this year. At Pekan in one of the heats, I remember James Lee and Fahmi Ilyas nearly getting into a fight at the weighing area as Fahmi had pushed James Lee out onto the marbles to overtake him but yet no penalty was imposed. Also, Ron Tan was so aggressive that he flew over one of the TonyKarts (cant remember who) while trying to overtake. There are some particular drivers who do this very often and I think that this should be addressed(ie. keep a special watch on them). But my point here is that these drivers are not punished unless it affects the win or podiums(like rd2 where it is 1st and 2nd place). More should be done in midfield and the back to ensure that absolutely no one does it.

For James idea, I agree with wanannuar as the front person have no control. It's not like he is telling the guy to push him, why should he be penalised? I feel that a 10 or even 20-second penalty is right for the person who is pushing. But using discretion, if it is a very bad push (not thinking about positions), he should be disqualified. Sometimes it is better to do the extreme in order to get your point across. Or else no one will bother. Also, cheating gets u disqualified, isn't pushing someone else off the track cheating in a way?

[James Leong]

I do agree with danzer and wanannuar regarding the fairness of this method. I have to admit that sometimes the quality of the marshall is such that they do not know the difference between a racing move and a deliberate push. Basing on their report it is sometimes quite hard to determine who is actually at fault. We have established a list of drivers on the "Watch List" and we will look out for them.

The only way to combat this for the coming race is to have more officials stationed at various points to take note of this pushing. Once it is established that there is pushing, the 10 seconds penalty applies or even disqualification if it is serious. I believe very strongly that this sort of behavior must stop.

For 2010, the club is looking into using mobile monitors to track drivers and we will throw the books at him for any infringement of this sort.

I am always open for suggestions and recommendations by anyone who can come up with a better system.

James Leong

[RocK]

notice euro track all upgrading or have CCTV monitor system. View by marshall which good racing background.
maybe its time for Asian club to invest. racing is good now, must do everything to keep it good.

[1malaysia]

hello mr danzer. comment on people's driving.. overtaking.. whatsoever.. and the rules of 20-seconds penalty.. dsq..

ok now let's begin. Can you all please be more like MAN. and stop bitching over that people hit me that people hit him etc etc.

Racing and banging in karting is completely normal... yes if it is deliberate then ok maybe we should look into it. But I disagree with mr danzer. Look at these young boys racing hard and trying to be as fair as possible and racing like a man..just like how the europeans have been doing it, it's great for malaysia in general.. they cant be racing like the way our mr james leong raced before with mr paul david... friends.. i suck u u suck me... dont bang bang... f#$k man... malaysian motorsport is gonna go nowhere like where they are now. they havent even raced in europe yet so what the hell they know about hard racing then. but with all due respect, i appreciate their hardwork to carry malaysia's karting and i think they are pretty good at business too so let's respect them for that.

i saw some of the incidents in pekan... and to repeat mr DANZER comments, between ron's and some dude.. i saw it and i think it's just racing accident, that old twat didnt want to give room so what can the boy do. Ok over ambitious, but that's the beauty of young malaysians nowadays they dare to try and it's happening in europe too, so let's give them some credits.. and i see it happening with other people too in the race so i think we should stop bitching. On Fahmi ok, that was too much ok let's make sure he doesnt do it again... but then other drivers like Afiq is doing it super deliberately... maybe not obvious if u look at it yes he did it too more often than anyone else and why his name has not appeared... no comments.. but anyway who owns the series? so let's not bitch about it...

same goes to the incident between mikko and syafiq, and i think it's just pure racing accident.. ok syafiq could have backed off but then again this is the beauty of malaysian karting, boys noawadays are more daring, and that's what we need from them.. drive hard and race hard and it's just unfortunate that mikko didnt give enough room and things happen.. if mikko doesnt like it then next time either he hit syafiq back or just becareful la... that's racing right?

i dont want to sound like i "pilih kasih" or whatever but let them have their race. deliberate hittings ok call them for a meeting in a fair manner.. and not just to certain drivers.. ahemmm.. and u drivers.. if u know that he hit u... WELL IF U WANT TO BE A RACER AND U THINK THE LAST INCIDENT WAS UNFAIR AND U WANT TO HIT BACK, PLS GO AHEAD!!!! isnt that racing.. so just prove a point la... but remember that whaever goes around, comes around and that's life and that's racing... so STOP BITCHING U STUPID MALAYSIANS (some only)!!! and if ppl dont like u and the organiser wants to ban u... let him do it.. because he got the POWER what.. let him ABUSE IT!!!! that's life guys...

Let's all hope we have an enjoyable race next week... most importantly a fair race.. whatever happens it is for all of us to learn from but most importantly we want to see these boys behave like a fighter, race hard and race as fair as possible (even though we can say nothing is fair in this world)... Let's just hope we have better drivers in the world finals.. and not just some pussiesss who cant even qualify for the finalss... MR Nice Guy will never be in formula 1 trust me... but u must have respect for others off the track.. and not behave like a Rempit...

All the best guys!

[danzer]

And can you please open ur eyes coz I did not say that bumping should be penalized, I said shoving. Shoving and bumping is totally different young man.

i saw some of the incidents in pekan... and to repeat mr DANZER comments, between ron's and some dude.. i saw it and i think it's just racing accident, that old twat didnt want to give room so what can the boy do. Ok over ambitious, but that's the beauty of young malaysians nowadays they dare to try and it's happening in europe too, so let's give them some credits.. and i see it happening with other people too in the race so i think we should stop bitching. On Fahmi ok, that was too much ok let's make sure he doesnt do it again... but then other drivers like Afiq is doing it super deliberately... maybe not obvious if u look at it yes he did it too more often than anyone else and why his name has not appeared... no comments.. but anyway who owns the series? so let's not bitch about it...

The above comments seriously make me think that you are Ron Tan, coz u are totally defending him when his accident was so bad. "You" completely flew over the guy, his arm was totally bruised and his steering wheel was bent, his helmet was a BIG tyre mark. You call that a racing accident and still dare to insult him as an "old thwat"? How disrespectful. If the guy doesn't want to give room its because he is defending u retard. If you were defending someone faster than you would u give room to him to overtake you? I thought MR Nice guy is a no good racer so why should you expect him to be nice? Shoving the guy out is a loser's way of overtaking, it means you have no skills to overtake. Do you see formula 1 drivers hitting others off the track to overtake? That's why Ron probably won't make it to F1 coz when Ron is in Formula BMW, he will finish last in every race as he would probably have to replace like 2 or 3 nose cones as the tries to bump others off the track. I don't even remember Ron taking an effort to go to the weighing area to apologize after the race. And also, u say that people like Fahmi and Afiq who shove people off as bad racing and Ron's launching off ppl as just simple racing accidents?..wth man, are you someone who fell in love with racing 1 week ago? That's why you make me think you are Ron Tan.

but always remember who started this bullshit.. remember who STARTED THIS BULLSHIT?

You are the one who started this Bullshit boy. We were having a nice discussion over suggestions on how to curb people SHOVING off and not simple bumping. Then you come along and start all this cursing and insulting bullshit. So we will always remember you as the one who started this Bullshit.

Let's just hope we have better drivers in the world finals.. and not just some pussiesss who cant even qualify for the finalss... MR Nice Guy will never be in formula 1 trust me... but u must have respect for others off the track..

if you are so arrogant why don't you tell us your name, let's see if you even managed to qualify for the grand finals. If you can't even beat the people who qualified what gives you the right to talk bad about them. If u went to the grand finals you would probably be 2 seconds off the second last guy in qualifying.
And fyi, I am not intending to get into Formula 1. Why don't you tell us your big name so that we can see if you are in Formula 1 within the next 100 years.
If you want us to respect people like Ron off the track, why don't you tell him to respect others ON the track first.

So please get your mindset right before you start insulting people.

[1malaysia]

Can you please put that boy Ron to the side. HE's not even in this conversation.

Look like I said, not just referring to Ron's incident, most of the time this is racing accident.. and it's %$@#%# normal. And if u have a problem with that.. might as well u go and play netball.

I am saying this so that Malaysians (im not sure even if u r malaysians, maybe kiasu singaporeans?) , stop bitching after the race.. I would love to see malaysian motorsport get on with the job.. There's already so much of saying about unfairness in the KRS organized Rotax MAx Series, and sometimes it makes me feel sick. You already think u know how they are, what they are, where they come from the days of Mofaz... so be it... either u race or u dont race. stop bitching. ur engine is slow and if u think u cant make it any faster then dont race! go and play yamaha or something.. or netball (if ur any taller).

Believe me... if u know who i am.. not in a million years you can beat me... so i dont want to start to mention my name here because im just gonna put u to shame.

Another piece of shit for u to eat here. Come on dude.. ur slow, and u dont belong to the young guys like Afiq, Fahmi, Syafiq etc etc people... no matter what u say about them.. u still got no hope. Let's all see them compete hard and as fair as possible, even though like ive said to u before, there's nothing fair in this world. So mind your own business, u dont belong to that league. Plus i bet ur new to the sport, and u know jack shit yet. Have u ever even race at world level? but anyway enjoy ur little own race!!

Ive seen so many of these incidents in europe and other countries... sometimes this is what we call karting.. and to make it competitive, it has to come to this sort of level of blunders and it's entirely normal. In europe if they are not happy they would come to that guy in the next race and will just hit the other person off back.. or he will just show middle finger to the other person... thats about it.. no bitching on the blogs.. not discussing about the incident at the parc ferme.. and u know why... because they UNDERSTAND the reality of racing.. and that's why they ARE %$@#%# GOOD.. and not like u. worrying about the wrong things!!!

Believe me... if u want rotax to become a race for the young drivers to grow professionally then i think we better put this blog off so that people like danzer dont come and give his cheap advice and corrupt all the young boys.. imagine what people like fahmi, ron and other people whose name was mentioned here heard about this... and they will surely upset.. adn we need them for the future.. and not people like danzer.

On the world finals... i just hope that a MALAYSIAN who is a fighter and eager to win (or go far in motorsport) will go there... yes from what we see around in the market... all the drivers got their own strength... some good teams... some daring... some very technical etc etc.. Im sorry if i offend u in some way mikko. but i would love to see a young malaysian charger to the world finals... be it Afiq, Syafiq, Ron, fahmi, or whoever. All of them got their own flaws.. but we need to put into them the killer instincts like our heroes: Alonso, Kimi, Schumacher, Hamilton etc... and not pussies like Danzer, even though i know he doesnt want to get to f1... but then that doesnt mean he is free to talk shit.

Thank you guys, im sorry if i offend any of u ppl but im just saying this from my experience and my heart.. i want malaysians to behave openly and not just bitch bitch bitch like our football.

This is a beautiful sport and one of the only sport that you can see malaysians excel in merit. So let's protect that.

Thank you .

[wanannuar]

hey guys, whatever you need to discuss please do it professionally and avoid all those profanities....

[danzer]

Believe me... if u know who i am.. not in a million years you can beat me... so i dont want to start to mention my name here because im just gonna put u to shame.

Another piece of shit for u to eat here. Come on dude.. ur slow, and u dont belong to the young guys like Afiq, Fahmi, Syafiq etc etc people... no matter what u say about them.. u still got no hope. Let's all see them compete hard and as fair as possible, even though like ive said to u before, there's nothing fair in this world. So mind your own business, u dont belong to that league. Plus i bet ur new to the sport, and u know jack shit yet. Have u ever even race at world level? but anyway enjoy ur little own race!!

If you are that good, why don't you tell us your name? Scared that people will attack you at the next race? Don't be a pussy, tell ur your big name. I'm sure I can beat you, you don't even know who I am.

If you mean that I don't belong to the reckless people without sportsmanship like Afiq Fahmi and Syafiq, I totally agree.

But first, your big name please. If you are that good, you may just make me shut up. Don't be shy. If you are too scared to reveal your name, I think you may just be some spectator or bulshitter trying to create problems here.

[jinmayer]

Hi guys , firstly allow me to introduce myself. I am Rajinder , father of Rahul Raj (12 yrs old)who is a junior driver and we belong to IS Racing team. My son and I are very new to this karting scene and therefore I am in no position to comment what is right and what is wrong. So please dont shoot at me. I am just trying.

There is just one comment made about unfairness in the KRS organised RMC series and Yamaha that I would like to give my views. I dont belong to the KRS team but my view is they have done a very good job so far and assisted in organising events for fellow karters. To me thats a syabas. As for unfairness , personally I never felt it nor did my son. Our competitor Nabil is a very good driver and what takes him to the front is his consistency every lap. Rahul has managed to do better times than him on several occassions but does not have the consistency yet . He still has a long way to go.

In my opinion ,that ,to me means no unfairness practiced.Engines are equal. (Please ,, its my opinion and I reserve the right to be wrong).

As for Yamaha , I think its an excellent engine for a karter to learn from and how to understand tuning rich and lean before moving up to KF series.

As for the incidents ,,I saw many unfair incidents taking place at Pekan whilst sitting down at the hairpin. I spent most of my time there. What I also saw were drivers who used their karts to hit each other AFTER the chequered flag was down as if it was some boxing match. If that is what is required to move up to Formula , then maybe time will come for us to move into golfing.

But again who is right and who is wrong we really dont know. Whilst my son and I were learning we approached Paul David for advice on karting do's and dont's on the track. He guided us very well and we try to ensure we follow the rules. But maybe my son has breached the rules during the races for which we will try to improve. There is another very helpful gentleman who also guided us about discipline on the track and today his son is doing very very well . Sorry I dont have his permission to release his name. The point I am making is we are always learning about rules and discipline.

All comments made by Danzel , Imalaysia above are valid ......except maybe we can reduce the harsh words and get something out of this discussion that has started so that we all benefit at the end of the day.

So where were we ........ 10 seconds penalty.........................can we please continue from here....?

Thanks guys and I hope I did not insult anybody.

[guyermer]

I think we can all agree that this is a non contact sport but sometimes people do make mistakes in the heat of "battle".

This is unfortunate, but unless it was done deliberately to gain a place (no driver launches himself into the air off the back of another kart on purpose) i think it can be considered a racing incident. The offending driver already feels pretty foolish as its no doubt his fault. A profuse apology is all that can be reasonably expected. What happens on the track should stay on the track and there is no sense in creating bad blood over an incident that cant be undone.

That being said i think the majority of incidents are probably avoidable and can be broken down as follows:

1) First corner incidents: Particularly in the first few laps. Drivers try to go from the back to first place in half a lap and generally this ends in a big pile up. The perpetrator of an incident of this kind will normally be caught up in the incident, losing position and therefore is unaffected by a a time penalty. Everyone needs to calm down and let the race develop. If you are fast clean overtaking opportunities will present themselves. Regular first corner offenders should be warned by the stewards.

2) Misjudgments: Two drivers battling for position the rear driver misjudges his braking point and pushes the lead kart wide. If the the rear driver didn't benefit from the move then no harm no foul (so long as its not persistent). If the rear kart gained a position then he should give up the advantage and try again.

3) Deliberate: If someone is found to be constantly pushing and bumping they should be warned and black flagged if need be.

4) Reputation:A number of drivers feel these tactics are a legitimate part of racing and use them as a matter of course. These drivers should warned, watched carefully and the appropriate actions taken in the event they transgress the rules.

In the drivers briefing its clearly stated no contact, but have the different scenarios been written down and the appropriate penalties outlined in the rules? Until the officials get tough (but fair) this sort of thing will continue unchecked.

In an ideal world the marshals should be on the look out and report any infractions to race control. In F1 the stewards have the benefit of very well trained marshals, multiple cameras, super slo motion cameras and a host of other devices to aid them in the decision making process. They are able to make a fair (and sometimes sensible) decision based on the infraction and how it pertains to the rules.

The rotax series does not have the benefit of any of those things. Making a ruling becomes very difficult unless the offending driver has multiple infractions. Everyone sees an incident in a different way.

The only way to fairly adjudicate a (sometimes championship deciding) incident is through cameras. Stewards and drivers would then have clear evidence on which to base there decisions.

Hopefully we will have full TV coverage at next years events and the stewards will have access to those images.

I don't think a uniform 10 second penalty to both drivers is fair.

Unfortunately this is a complex issue that cuts to the heart of the sport. Its up to the race organizers and the stewards to find a fair, even handed method of combating this problem with out compromising the racing.

Karting is the gateway to all other motor-sport and the lessons we learn karting are directly translated to other forms of car racing. Non of the other car race series (including Europe) allow deliberate contact so why are karts different. Outside of karts the (black) art of shoving someone off the track is not allowed.

Its dangerous, disruptive and expensive. I hope we can eliminate this from the sport.

[1malaysia]

Thank you for your comments Mr JimMayer. Yes I've seen your son racing for quite a bit, I honestly feel he has a good future. When the time comes, maybe having a good technical back up and manager, coach will help him go even further; with the support from a dad like u financially and mentally. HE will eventually get there, it's just the matter of time if you do it right. Definitely it's good learning year with IS Racing, so all credit to them.

Really appreciate your gesture and honesty in dealing with this issue.

On the series, yes i agree with you mr JimMayer that as far as we are concerned the series is being kept equal (yes a little here and there but that's what we call the loophole in the regulation) and the only issue here is inconsistency of the supply and information of updated parts, which sometimes can be performance enhancing. I do not want to go further with this since the topic is not about that but anyway like ive always said, let's get on with the race. But yes, let's congratulate the organizer for a rather success year (comparatively to 2008).

On Nabil, i admit that he is a good driver, after all the comments people say his engine is fast etc etc etc... but at the end of the day i still feel he is the best driver in the juniors. You can just see how he take the corners and also this is down to experience, which many of the racers in the juniors dont have that years under their belt. I just hope that he's also good under pressure especially when he goes to Europe or World Finals. Would be nice to see him race in the Seniors next year, which definitely he'll be up there at the front.

On the bumping and boring, shoving people off etc. Yes, maybe the marshals and stewards have to look into it more seriously since im sure in other countries they are doing the same now. All we ask from the "decision makers", to be HONESTLY MORE CONSISTENT on making decisions and that it does not favor anyone regardless of which team they belong to, regardless "whether i like ur face or not", regardless "James and the gang wake up on the wrong side of the bed", etc etc. I sure u get my point. I 110% know how difficult it is to please everyone in the series (u dont have to), or to make everyone happy but with this step forward im sure a lot of people will be happy; and u can sell more engines and u can make more money - GOOD, Everyone is happy.

At the end of the day it's a sport. And everyone turns up on Sunday because they enjoy it. whether it's passion, business (im sure elements of passion is in there), racing career, checking out people's wife... or whatever..

So let's keep it to that. Ok stewards, be more alert the next race and all drivers, please drive sensibly!

Another note on the blog, for the good of everyone (remember whatever goes around comes around), let's not all mention anyone names here because it can be damaging to the kids. All they know is to race and win... so sometimes they dont think as much as we do. Maybe Danzer has never been in that position like the kids so yeah.. im sorry man, get a life!

Also for all teams, I beg you if your driver ever hit people and u know that your driver is partly to be blamed and even if he is not to be blamed please do not add 'fire' to the issue. At the end of the day we want to teach the kids good values and not to teach them how to fight with people right? I dont want to mention names but there are some MALAY parents who back their son to go against people since people are saying shit something their son (or their son got knocked out).. so anyway that's bad! im not being racist here but somehow always the malays behave this way so u know who u are. If someone comment about ur son u go settle urself la.. dont get ur son involve because it's just bad for them right? Let's teach our kids with good values.

Alrite guys... i hope u enjoy this weekend.

Again, sorry if i offend anyone here, it's just me being straight forward. I hope u all can learn a bit from here.

Thanks

[FeiHoong91]

wow guys chill!! ~_~,move to DD2 or something weve got really nice back bumpers to hit *jokes*

have a good race this weekend guys!

EDIT: danzer do u have something against ron? he doesnt even have an account hahah so.... and yes im on his side cause hes my friend ^_^. but seriously though,i think the tonykart person turned into him when he was overtaking. Normal race accident,happened to me alot and it isnt nice

[danzer]

Hey 1malaysia, first you say that bumping and shoving nonsense are part of the game and should be kept that way. Now you say that marshalls should look into it and curb it. What the hell is your stand man?

Before you came along, we were all having a calm and peaceful exchange of suggestions. You could have just chipped in kindly but you had to start the profanity shootings.

Without any names, you may just be some photographer. Clearly you did not race in Pekan as you claim that you saw the incident between Ron and the TonyKart guy. So I repeat, why don't you reveal your name and stop all this nonsense that you are like some racing god and I can't beat you in a million years.

And I find that mentioning names here is in a way quite good as it lets the kids know what people think of them and make them think of their actions on the track so that they will overtake more professionally. And not with the loser's method of shoving others off. Why can't more people be like Mikko and overtake with skill, not pushing others off.

Fei Hoong, I totally respect you as a driver as you are someone who is really good and a nice guy off the track. I have nothing against Ron as a person but as a driver I find he is too aggressive in overtaking and need to learn to overtake cleanly. From what I saw, the tonykart guy was defending ok until Ron tried to overtake too aggressively, outbraking himself, and going into the guy too hot.