[DMmotorsport]

@ John :

You are totaly right, for that reason there need to be doen somehting, cause otherwise,
Malaysia will burn out in KArtingsene... cause now in Italy, Rotax is done !! done for sure...
same for other types of engine...
We should sit around the table, as we talked about before. for example a cup with only 1 chassis and 1 engine... like now championKart in Taliy, Japan, Germany and many more...
it's cheap, but fast: 4 classes
=> Mini (cadet) , Junior (Leopard engine; Senior (Leopard engine), SuperSenior (shifter engine)

Ciao, Kristof

[RocK]

We should sit around the table, as we talked about before. for example a cup with only 1 chassis and 1 engine

well right now we already have 1 engine championship.

it's cheap, fast and have 4 classes

I dont see the point to control chassis also.
It wont help the show or entrances i think..

[DMmotorsport]

Cheap???????

Fast ?????????

two classes, ok... by that

But i don't mean like 1 chassis, but i made an example! don't feel like i attacked you, its obvious you people need innovation!! right now!!
I've been there, seen it.. see the diff. ASK people who've been racing here...
check out the international races! there is a lot of talent in Asia, i've got one coming over here often, but did you ever seen an Asian in a top 10 international.? EVER ?

I tell you why, here in Europe, people see Asian drivers, only for there money, not for their talent...

The classes that have been raced at this moment are in control... and you just said control... but the races that are held now, are in CONTROLL; and really like CONTROL!!! ok?

So, at a certain moment this will explode, for sure... and what will happen than?
very simple, Malaysia will be the most old-fashioned kartingscene in the world.

I can tell you, i've been in South Africa too... and believe, ... it's time to do something.
I wanted to start a workshop in KL, but for sure we still want to wait with that....
i'd rather thainking about Singapore, of somwhere else outside ASIA (except for Japan)...

So as i said: there is a lot of talented people, a lot of people who can become good teamleaders... but pleas get sticked at 1 class... it's useless... cause nothing lives for ever, you know...

AND, i do not say the Rotax is not good, ow it is good! i'll comeover and drive the DD2 one time next year, but its ok for starters, and hobbiest... and even than...

Ciao, Kristof

[des_k]

[/quote] check out the international races! there is a lot of talent in Asia, i've got one coming over here often, but did you ever seen an Asian in a top 10 international.? EVER ? [/quote]

Well i dunno about karting , maybe you are right . but in A1 race for the nation , Malaysia its in top 5 overall for last season

[DMmotorsport]

Yes indeed ... Thats 1 or 2 drivers... but we speak about a whole continent...
full of talent... 1 seat for everyone is not enough... and come over in Europe, and get some seats in singleseaters, is only possible after you spend a lot money !

am i right?

Anyway, can somebody sent me the website where i can have an entry-list for chamionships? AND do some people know about DD2 next year, if there will be a lot of drivers or not...?

ciao, Kristof

[crg driver]

Shut up kristof !

[DMmotorsport]

We'll see who is going shut up! when i am over there...
at the track what you think about that? he?

Anyway, i try to make a point, and the only thing i get is a stupid answer like: shu up.... IF that even IS an answer... damn!

[Mikko Nassi]

Kristof you won't be able to race DD2 here unless you have an Asian license because the RMC events are zone inscribed. Except perhaps this November at an internationally inscribed race where there might might be a DD2 category.

=> Mini (cadet) , Junior (Leopard engine; Senior (Leopard engine), SuperSenior (shifter engine)

Cadet (comer engines) were once popular here, but not anymore. Likewise for Leopard engines. I don't see the point in reviving a dead engine to compete with the 2 other 1-make series' that exist at the moment other than for the benefit of the importer.

CIK category racing was very popular here in the late 90s. The ICA/FA grids had ~40 drivers. When the water cooled engines showed up the grid numbers started to tumble because it got expensive, and then when rotax came the CIK categories died completely.

If you were to start a CIK (KF engines) category in Malaysia now I think you might get about 5 entries if you're lucky simply because there aren't many drivers willing to spend the kind of money required to get into the racing when the competition won't even be good. Remember that most drivers race karts for fun, and it doesn't matter if your laptimes are 1 second faster - what matters is the competition. At the moment the level in the Rotax series is actually very high.

Your suggestion to 'fix' karting in Malaysia is to introduce another 1-make series - perhaps with only one chassis as well. How do you feel that that would improve the current situation?

A similar idea (1-make enigne and chassis series) has been tried here a few years ago but it didn't work. Another 1-make engine series was also started up but it only lasted 1 year.

From the point of view of the competitor I don't feel that what engine is being used matters much - what matters is that the competition is good, and the costs aren't out of control. From the point of view of the organiser/importer of course they want their engine to be the only one used in the country.

here in Europe, people see Asian drivers, only for there money, not for their talent...

This is probably true for 80% of European drivers as well.

[DMmotorsport]

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[mlange]

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wow, this is DM's shortest answer Ive seen in awhile.

[DMmotorsport]

OOps, somehting did go wrong... or probably... been removed.... i do not understand.. anyway... again:

Why ALWAYS talk about KF being more expensive!! why?
@ mikko: did you ever EVEN SEE a KF engine in real life? did you ever calculated enginecosts ?
inscription costs? and all that?? did you? i am pretty sure you DID not!!
So why do you attack.. do you really think Rotax is that chea in Asia when you drive a team?
i heard a lot of people's budget each year... and i can tell you, i fell of my chair...

And what make the difference you ask? very simple: this engines are the one that have been used international... indeed Rotax too.. but you said it yourself, it's for hoby drivers...
so why should you spend SOOO many money on hobbyengines and competitions..
IF there is need to competition for young talented drives who want to compete all over the world... andreally want to become Formula 1 or GP2 driver?

I know you have to defend the Rotax MAx classes, you propably have your reasons for that he Mikko... but you have to understand that some people are tyred of being cheated on, and always have to buy new material each season, once or twice...

And to make this all clear: all over asia there are rather nice fields for KF or any other competitions: in Malaysia there is only 1 competition, that 'lives' like you made it clear...
but i do not know what you ment by lived? there are only 50 drivers or less on the whole weekend.

In our Dutch (Holland) Championship, we have allready 100 up to 120 drivers only for KZ2... splittet up in 3 classes to make it smaller... AND you have to know, that there are drivers (like 75 prcent) which have such a low budget that they can not even compete in Asia,
So where is the diff... ? i am sure you can tell me mikko

[James Leong]

Personally, I am getting tired of hearing about why this and not that. I want to let you know Kristof that KF and any other makes of engines are allowed to race in Malaysia as you put it. I am the distributor for Rotax engines and I am under obligations to organise the Rotax Max Challenge. If someone like you would like to get Malaysians to start KF, please by all means come to Malaysia and organise the event so that everyone can go into KF series.

The reason why there are no KF here in Malaysia is that there are importers but they are not willing to fork out money to organise the events. They want to make money from the sales but not to give back to the drivers the series. I put in efforts to organise the rotax races and I would be an utter idiot to let KF or Yamaha run in my series!!!

I would encourage a KF series provided there is a Promoter for it. I believe in putting the money where the mouth is!

James Leong

[DMmotorsport]

Hi James!

Indeed, i agree with you for 100% And as i said before, iam not like ANTI-rotax... instead!=> i'll drive the DD2 over there in a couple of weeks... And i think the Rotax is a good way of starting things !

An other issue is ofcourse, the biggest problaems are the importers out there ...
The other Issue is: i think that organizing a race,AND have a team, is bit un-fair to drivers who ar not in your team... but ofcourse, i still am not 'ANTI' like... i would do it myself!
BUT it has to be hounest too, indeed ...

I just act this way, because people always complain, complain complain... and afterall, they are happy that is the way it is ... you understand?

Anyway, also an other question for you, can you pleas sent me a regulation, an entryform, and all info i need to have about you championship. this because we want to help to promote the DD2 class over there! i think it's a nice class, and we TOO want to grow indeed...
So i can bring in some drivers from Europe... and make the starting grid bigger.

Ciao, Kristof
DMmotorsport

[Mikko Nassi]

Why ALWAYS talk about KF being more expensive!! why?
@ mikko: did you ever EVEN SEE a KF engine in real life? did you ever calculated enginecosts ?
inscription costs? and all that?? did you? i am pretty sure you DID not!!

I've raced KF1 once at the Asia-Pacific Championship when only a few of the factory teams took part. The chassis I had was bent though so it was a bit pointless. I used the Vortex KF1 engine.

I haven't actually said KF is expensive, I think you've misunderstood me. I haven't attacked KF, in fact I'd love to race it if there was a strong series here. I've also never said that Rotax is the cheapest.

The one KF1 race I did the engine was provided by Vortex and paid for by Macau so the only costs I know of for KF are for factory teams in Europe for a series such as WSK. The figures I've heard are Euro 5,000 per round to the team and entry fees of 2,500 per round+travelling and lodging of course. For some other teams it is ~8,000 - 9,000 plus the entry fee. I'm sure some drivers that have proven talent before they join a team get a better deal and certainly national level racing at non-factory teams is cheaper.

In the UK some have felt that it is too expensive for the general karter, so they have introduced a clubman-kf for senior drivers but using the KF3 spec engine, which I've heard can be used for a very long time without rebuilds.

So why do you attack.. do you really think Rotax is that chea in Asia when you drive a team?

I haven't attacked anything. I've just wondered how another similar series to Rotax would improve on anything? You've proposed Leopard engines. They were quite popular here a while ago and one series was primarily Rotax and Leopard.

i heard a lot of people's budget each year... and i can tell you, i fell of my chair...

I haven't - perhaps they are being overcharged? The cheap way to do it is to be your own mechanic, and do your own work. That is the exception here rather than the norm though.

And what make the difference you ask? very simple: this engines are the one that have been used international... indeed Rotax too.. but you said it yourself, it's for hoby drivers...

I didn't say they are just for hobby drivers... I said that what matters in a racing series is the competition and that costs aren't out of control. I never said that some categories cost more than others - i don't know all the costs. I do know that you can run and win the Rotax locally here without a massive budget. I am comfortable taking a new engine out of the box and knowing I can win with it.

I know you have to defend the Rotax MAx classes, you propably have your reasons for that he Mikko... but you have to understand that some people are tyred of being cheated on, and always have to buy new material each season, once or twice...

I'm not defending the Rotax categories per se... I'm just wondering how adding another similar-to-rotax series would do anything. I don't think that would improve much. There has been an ROK series here for one year, there is also at the moment a Yamaha series. Additionally there is an arrive & drive one-make, one-chassis series using Rotax engines.

I've noticed this year that the drivers that have concentrated on their driving have moved up to the very front of the field - some believe that it is their kart and not their driving that is stopping them from being at the front. You will find this in any motorsports series all around the world. Rarely is there a winner that isn't believed to be cheating by someone in the field - even if all engines are checked after the event. Sometimes there is something shady going on - most of the time though I feel that it is just a perception.

On a few occasions over the past years I've seen drivers that have believed their kart isn't as good as the top guys, only to be proven wrong when a good driver takes it out for a few laps and goes just as fast as the winners of the race did on the same day.

but i do not know what you ment by lived? there are only 50 drivers or less on the whole weekend.

It's been around 90 drivers lately. It has more drivers than any series has had in Malaysia at least since the late 90s. I know it's not a lot compared to many countries in Europe, but it is very strong copmared to other countries in this region.

In the late 90s CIK racing was very popular here (ICA/FA, JICA was quite small), but when the water cooled engines came the series started to die off because it became more expensive to compete (you had to buy water cooled engines or you had no chance, whereas before an old air cooled engine was ok). At the same time Rotax was new and was the choice for most.

In our Dutch (Holland) Championship, we have allready 100 up to 120 drivers only for KZ2... splittet up in 3 classes to make it smaller... AND you have to know, that there are drivers (like 75 prcent) which have such a low budget that they can not even compete in Asia,
So where is the diff... ? i am sure you can tell me mikko

They must be using the same tyres for 3 rounds if they are able to do it so cheap . I'd love to have a KZ category to race in , but I'm guessing with less than 10 drivers that could afford a new kart and be able to handle a KZ engine engine it will be difficult starting up the category.

Remember that in Europe the middle class can afford karting - in Malaysia for a middle class family no matter what series it is it is quite difficult.

I don't know what the answer to get more drivers - but I don't think starting a top category such as KZ is the answer. If the base is strong then there could be other top level categories but building the top before you build the base is counterintuitive.

Anyway, also an other question for you, can you pleas sent me a regulation, an entryform, and all info i need to have about you championship. this because we want to help to promote the DD2 class over there! i think it's a nice class, and we TOO want to grow indeed...
So i can bring in some drivers from Europe... and make the starting grid bigger.

Like I mentioned earlier for the Malaysian rounds you would need an Asian license because the events are zone inscribed so you wouldn't be able to race them. I'll send you the details for an International which will be in November.

And to make this all clear: all over asia there are rather nice fields for KF or any other competitions: in Malaysia there is only 1

The KF fields you may have heard about in South-east Asia are often 50% Rotax Max, such as in the AKOC series. I haven't seen many races here with more than 10 KF engines in 1 category.

Even in Japan the All-Japan KF championship in which one Malaysian driver is racing only has grids of about 15.

There is actually more than 1 series in Malaysia .

[DMmotorsport]

I totally agree with all you answers, for sure !
AND, i have to admid that the biggsest problem is even pointed in Europe.
Cause They change a lt of things ll the time... FOR example the KF... now it's allready death again... ANDin KZ, which is running pretty well, there are going to be changes too, AGAIN...

Anyway, i do not think it's a good time afterall to give karting a boost...
At this poit i hope that we (my team) can help the Malasian karting grow, at first...
Like DD2 (How Many DD2 are there in de Asian Championship agin?)
AND that there will be more drivers to compete in de FIA-CIK races...

(Okej, send me the info about international race in November, asap...)

Ciao, Kristof