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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:47 pm 
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New lap records at Kota Bharu:

Junior: Ryan Ritchie 49.916 [Rio was second, 0.001 behind!]

Senior: Ooi Fei Hoong 50.198

Master: James Lee 50.500

DD2: Ooi Fei Hoong 49.554

Lap records are set during races only, so qualifying times are not taken into account. Hasif set the fastest Junior time in Qualifying 49.780, beating Nabil by 0.008!


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 Post subject: Incidents
PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:47 pm 
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In my opinion, all incidents must be investigated even without protest for the sport to move forward.

Contact can happen but if due to bad move and resulted in taking others out must be investigated.

In the J final, lap 1 2nd corner, kart no. 1 from source claimed to see an opening, charged in and found no where to go. Climbed and landed on kart 10, crushed steering, alfano and a very brusied and painful arm. To me that was a bad judgement or lack of control. It was a 20 laps race.

To kart no. 1, Brandon is fine with no cracked bones (X-rayed this morning).

My point is, with investigation, drivers will learn from the findings whether their moves were bad, unacceptable and avoidable.

Championship is not won in a lap lah. Happy karting.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:58 pm 
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killerbees92 wrote:
dont worry jules im just sounding out,what had happen to me and can be prevetned....he is a well mannered guy OFF track.....


no worries......and as said, I dun know him, just my observation of this too tall kart driver!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:02 am 
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Referring to the comment by Ron, I wish to inform that the driver No 10 is from India. He was informed by me as well as the Steward that stunts like that was not acceptable. He is now under observation for the AMC round 2 and if found quilty again of dangerous driving will have his licence endorsed and his ASN informed about this.

I hope this will also send a warning to all other drivers that they are being watched each time they go out on the circuit.

James Leong


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:05 am 
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Kart No. 1 from India. Kart No 10 is Brandon Lee.

Thank you for the info. This is what we hope to see and will add credibility to future races. I must say the race was was well organised and a good outing. Thanks to all involved.

BTW, heard the stretcher was still in its original packaging when it was requested during this incident. Hope it was not a DIY thing and if so, better have the manual with them. The stretcher never got to the site. Haha...


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 Post subject: yea
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:53 pm 
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yea james leong....you also hav to watch out for kart number 12.....he never gives up the position if the kart overtaking him is faster.....he just closes the door which leads to a accident.....because my team is angry with him.....in the final race i was pushed out by him.......it was sad that no one saw the incident and i had to finish in 16th.....my kart no is 500.pls take a look at kart number 12.thanks alot.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:18 pm 
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should bring up to the race control right away if you feel drivers are not behaving correctly.

posting on the forum and hoping for the best on the next race wont have the same effect.

unless this is the new way of racing.. :P

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 Post subject: well
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:41 pm 
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well writing it here and letting james leong know is the best way and if it happens again....i hav to pay the USD and make sure his asn revokes his license.


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Can anyone tell me where I can see the latest points standings for the Rotax Series


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:58 pm 
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Malaysia Max Points HERE.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:35 pm 
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Mikko, I think that the Juniors points table is wrong as DNF's have been given 0 points instead of last finisher less 5... :?:

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It seems that all karts without 1 lap are given 0 points, 1 lap or more and DNF is -5 from last finisher.

I asked James about this last year and I think it was down to 0 laps being counted as a DNS. It does seem unfair though.

Looking through a few Euro challenge results 0 lap non-finishers are given points the same as other non-finishers.

They've also dropped the -5 points off last finisher for DNF but that defeinitely is still in the Asia and Malaysia regs.

Rotax regs are for non-finish = -5 points from the last finisher.

Imo if for example position 11 is the first DNF it should be 5 points less than position 10, and if you're a DNF and 12th it should be 1 point less than 11th.

I'll check this with James.


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That's an unusual interpretation. Under CIK/FIA regs (to which the Rotax Max Challenge regs refer) the definition of a start is to have crossed the start line under race conditions. This interpretation is particularly odd given that :-

1. The MyLaps and AMB transponder system records the status of Start (or DNS) and Finish (or DNF) automatically in accordance with the CIK/FIA regulations; and
2. The Sub Regs do not note any specific variance from the general interpretations of start and / or finish as defined by the CIK/FIA.

I think that this needs to be reviewed immediately as the interpretation being applied does not appear to be supported by the published regulations.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:39 am 
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Thanks for the words in the forum. Regarding the points for junior and the system of scoring, I will bring this up with Rotax. If they are in the same opinion with Glen, it is not a problem for me to amend the points to reflect the true situation. I am following what is specifically set out in the regulations to all distributors.

I am all for the drivers. At the same time, if any driver felt that they have been sidelined by another driver, it should be brought up to the attention of the COC. Airing it on the forum will not help. It must be resolved at the race itself for it to be effective. I hope all drivers will take note of this.

James


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:41 am 
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Mikko Nassi wrote:

Rotax regs are for non-finish = -5 points from the last finisher.

Imo if for example position 11 is the first DNF it should be 5 points less than position 10, and if you're a DNF and 12th it should be 1 point less than 11th.



I noticed that the DNFs are ranked also and the further back you are among the DNFs you are the less points you have i.e. -5 for first DNF, -10 for second DNF, etc.

Going strictly by the wording of the regulation "DNF = -5 from last finisher", it seems to me that all DNFs should get the same points, i.e. -5 points from the last finisher.

This would give the drivers a better chance to recover from one bad race and, more importantly, it would be consistent with the wording of the regulation.


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