[megane2]

Everyone started off fun-karting. We learn from road driving experience on the road. Everytime a Lambo or Ferrari stick their noise to my rear on the highway, I'll give way even if I'm speeding. This is not about road bully or suppressive, but driving etiquette given to more privilege machines on the track or road.

When I was fun-karting, I have not got into any serious accident with pro-karters. Fun-karters must know where is the racing line and the braking point on the track before they drive the fun-karts. Many don't even know how to brake properly. Its better they learn from a simulator first before going out to cause mayhem.

Pro-karters are very forgiving when we saw them slowing into corners. We follow them through, but we expect them to give us room to overtake them on the straight. Driving in the middle reduce the room for us to overtake and very accident prone.

My 2cts worth.

[David Goldman]

If they are driving down the middle of the straight then they obviously have no idea where the racing line is, and like megane said, they need to know where at least in general that the racing line is. Obviously every racing kart has a different braking point so thats hard to figure out, but just know where the fastest kart on the track brakes also like megane said. On the other hand, if you make way for a race kart when they are not ready (by moving to the inside of the track) then it is possible for them to hit you even harder than they would have if you didnt move. If you are in the race kart give the fun karter at least a lap before passing so you know where a good place to pass each specific one would be. My advice to all fun karters is that before you get in the kart, is to watch at least two practice sessions to know the fast karts, and to generally know where the line is. This is also a good way to impress your friends because you will be waaaay ahead if you know the line and they dont.

[Jules]

sorry to ask but why is that most of our south cousins ( Johore and Singapore ) has issues with fun karters?

I ask cos could it be due to :

1) the track you drive dun have enough overtaking places hence u have to dive into fun karters to do that?

or

2) there is a need for fun karters to respect the faster karts? but how, when they dun have mirrors?

or

3) that all fun karters are dumb and need lights to guide them around ( remember we were once there also, so please choose this answer carefully )

or

4) the operators rent out karts which are so fast that private karters struggle to overtake them.....

or

5) your local track should implement different slots for the private karters? please explain how to do this without any monetary & time loss...to both operators and karters alike.


Genuine & sincere answers please!


Btw, since I am online, let me share with you this. When Mikko ( the moderator/founder/racer of this forum ) and myself started karting - we did it on the Formula P class which had a 100cc 2 stroke piston port, direct drive and hard compund tyres.....which made our afternoon practise amongst the fun karters very interesting. Why? They had stickier tyres and at some points, even the 80cc rental karts can gain on us and have higher cornering speeds....since we are mostly drifting. Thankfully rentals 100cc are not that common as nowadays, which would have made it harder for us.

Yes, the race cadets ate us for lunch.....as they had the medium compound Maxxis HG3 tyres.

Thankfully, we did not have any major incidents but it sure made us think harder where we want to overtake them. I honestly think they made us better drivers and taught us anticipation and mutual respect for everyone on track.

Last of all, my last axle bent was caused by a Junior Max driver who swerved out of his line onto mine just as I was to pass at high speed >95kph.....his front hit my rear axle so you go figure who is at fault.....he was no fun karter but a newbie in karts nevertheless. Thankfully I did not flip but was airborne for a good few moments.

In ending - all I gotta say is if you think the track is packed with fun karters and you are out to set the fastest ever lap time....wait for the slot and time. Hey, you could also do that while driving around the circuit and once they pull it, you hammer it down......

the throttle works BOTH ways.....a racer once told me.

[megane2]

>>sorry to ask but why is that most of our south cousins ( Johore and Singapore ) has issues with fun karters?

I'm not so sure about Indonesia. Permas track is not luxuriously spacious. Just enough for 2 karts side by side.

>>I ask cos could it be due to :
>>1) the track you drive dun have enough overtaking places hence u have to dive into fun karters to do that?

Not for Permas. Non-competitive overtaking and lapping requires cooperation and understanding of racing line.
>>or

>>2) there is a need for fun karters to respect the faster karts? but how, when they dun have mirrors?

When you drive, you listen for sound, look ahead of you and those karts coming towards you from the opposite of the track. Generally, you stick to your racing line to get the fastest time. It is also much predictable for faster karts coming from behind and racing line guessing can be avoided.
However, with the drastic speed difference in Permas, a simple negligence would spell for accident later.

>>or

>>3) that all fun karters are dumb and need lights to guide them around ( remember we were once there also, so please choose this answer carefully )

Some fun-karters are really not meant to drive. Remember everyone is borned different. This will help to explain the diversity of homo sepians. I have to admit I'm still not good at pro-karts, so still improving on it.

Most horrific accidents occurred when self-trained fun-karters playing PSP with games like NFS going into corners w/o braking. For gals, the reaction was mostly the caused of accident as they are stunned and stop reacting to incident happened in front of them and add into the pile-up. The worse part is, they are all scantily cladded when driving any karts, which can hurt in the event of accident.

>>or
>>4) the operators rent out karts which are so fast that private karters struggle to overtake them.....

For Permas, the funkarts could only reach 50km/h. The prokarts easily reached 100km/h. We also need to take into consideration the acceleration. With the such a drastic closing up gaps, pro-karters have little time to think and avoid accidents. If there is little disparity in speed, it will be less accident prone as reaction time will be similar for both parties.

>>or
>>5) your local track should implement different slots for the private karters? please explain how to do this without any monetary & time loss...to both operators and karters alike.

This is impossible. The objective of this thread was to prevent people or machine from getting hurt or damaged when funkarts meet prokarts. For me, I would be more hestitate to go out when the tracks are filled with PSP karters, which can be easily differentiated, eg. wrong size helmet, helmet w/o visor, yelling around, first time visit, etc.

Avoiding is a good form of protection. No flames please.

Thanks for sharing. This is a useful forum for discussion.

[boi mudzaffar]

ok ok..like this la ha..all that has been said,we the 'pro karters' book the track the whole freakin' day..let the fun karters have their 10 mins la ok..pity them la..i used to be one..heck,LOTS of us used to be one..

disclaimer - err..not to offend anyone eh..

[Jules]

The worse part is, they are all scantily cladded when driving any karts, which can hurt in the event of accident.

AHA...I found out the REAL REASON for all the crashes!

[Aaron]

If they are driving down the middle of the straight then they obviously have no idea where the racing line is, and like megane said, they need to know where at least in general that the racing line is.

I dunno if anyone remembers or ever drove on the small mofaz track near 1 Utama... it's gone now, but when that was in operation, they had a yellow line painted on the track indicating the correct racing line.

Great for begginers!

[Mikko Nassi]

[quote="Aaron
I dunno if anyone remembers or ever drove on the small mofaz track near 1 Utama... it's gone now, but when that was in operation, they had a yellow line painted on the track indicating the correct racing line.

Great for begginers![/quote]

At the track where I first drove a kart in Finland they had a similar thing - they had white dots to show the racing line - they were faint enough that you hardly noticed them if you weren't using them, but great for beginners to use.

This was a track only for 85cc and below karts so it was to teach kid karters the racing line. Not much rental activity.

[David Goldman]

Although those painted lines or dots are good for beginners, wouldnt that make for not as good competition because not a single person would be driving a different line?:?