Yamaha SL Cup - Big Controversy

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Yamaha SL Cup - Big Controversy

Postby STEEL » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:47 pm

Heard on the grapevine that a disqualification on Yamaha SL Cup can be overturned by paying some money to the organizer. This happened on the round 4 of the Yamaha cup.

One of the cadets was DQ by the scrutineer for an infringement on the engine. The oil seal on his engine was installed on the reverse side to increase pressure on the crank. He was found out by the scrutineer and disqualified.

The parent was seen by some people when he approached the organizer to appeal and paid RM2000.00 to have his disqualification overturned. How cans the organizer or promoter overturned the scrutineer decision on the infringement.

If money can overturned the decision make on the infringement, then money can buy you to be a winner in the series. Has the organizer or promoter no pride in his series? Is money that important to them that he can sell his soul to the devil?
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Re: Yamaha SL Cup - Big Controversy

Postby STEEL » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:57 pm

Have spoken to some of the parents and they confirmed that it happen.

After checking with the local scrutineer, there is no advantage in the reverse installation of the oil seal but a deviation from the rule is still a deviation.

What is the local promoter, the distributor of Birel kart in Malaysia (RL Karting) going to do about it.
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Re: Yamaha SL Cup - Big Controversy

Postby JohnKing6 » Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:27 pm

Before everyone gets excited let me explain the process for these things - in all races, not just one particular kart series.

1) The scrutineers make a technical check and report any issues to the stewards - in this case (and in the vast majority of races in Malaysia) the stewards were AAM people.
2) The stewards decide on what action should be taken.
3) In the case on any penalties the impacted driver/team has the right to appeal to the Stewards.

In the case of the SL Cup, this was the exact process followed. If anyone has any issue with the decision made by the AAM Stewards, they should address questions to them. The race organisers have nothing to do with the decision.....
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Re: Yamaha SL Cup - Big Controversy

Postby JohnKing6 » Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:29 pm

STEEL wrote:Have spoken to some of the parents and they confirmed that it happen.

After checking with the local scrutineer, there is no advantage in the reverse installation of the oil seal but a deviation from the rule is still a deviation.

What is the local promoter, the distributor of Birel kart in Malaysia (RL Karting) going to do about it.


... and PS - RL Karting are not the race promotors so if you've going to have a dig at someone, at least get the facts correct.
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Re: Yamaha SL Cup - Big Controversy

Postby STEEL » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:49 am

John

You are right on the appeal but with RM2000.00? Who pocketed the RM2000.00 given to the organizer or promoter witnessed by many parents to have the decision overturned?

An infringement still an infringement even thought the AAM steward did not take any action. In any series, the SR would have clearly state out all the regulation.

Even thought the AAM steward do not take any action it does not make a wrong become right.

What is the the AAM going to do about it especially the karting commission?: Are they going to be like usual? The toothless tiger?
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Re: Yamaha SL Cup - Big Controversy

Postby JohnKing6 » Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:41 pm

As far as I know the money that changed hands was the fee you need to pay to lodge a protest. I believe that this would have been returned.

Having said all this let me say that my personal opinion (and it's only an opinion) is that this case should have led to disqualification. The rules are clear and I've always believed in a zero tolerance policy in karting - there cannot be any grey areas. One of my drivers was DQ'ed in RMC Rnd 2 qualifying because of a minor technicality with the latest carb insert rule clarificarions. It was an honest mistake by our mechanics and we didn't gain an advantage by it (we did the same lap times later the same weekend) but we just had to accept it - rules are rules.

But please don't turn this into an SL Cup vs Rotax argument. The promotors of both series (and KKS) are doing their best to run fair series and we should support them all. There's enough drivers now to support multiple series and they cater to slightly different markets so it really isn't a one vs another situation. I've been at all the races this year and all 3 series have had some great races - that's what's really important.
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Re: Yamaha SL Cup - Big Controversy

Postby STEEL » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:40 am

It is not who vs. who issue but doing the correct thing. For the betterment of karting in Malaysia, rules should be followed strictly and not left to the whim and fancy of the official to either implement it or not to suit themselves.

The promoter or organizer of any of the series must honest that they are there to help promote the sport and not out to make quick buck. This include club like KKS, whose official sometime behave high and haughty as if they are owner of the club and not elected official by the members.
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Re: Yamaha SL Cup - Big Controversy

Postby Shadow » Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:14 am

You are right on KKS. They are only elected office bearer who like to throw their weight around. Without the member, where will they be?

Should have seen how they behaved in Pekan when their president came. There were a couple of them, grinning from ear to ear while crawling to him, waiting for their head to be patted. They are very good at “bodek”.

They should also have been that good in making sure that the track is at top condition but it is not so. Stop giving silly excuse about JKR or the contractor not turning up. Since you know how to collect the money to organize the race, it is your responsibility to make sure everything is in order.
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Re: Yamaha SL Cup - Big Controversy

Postby James Leong » Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:04 am

Personally I don't think its fair to pin the blame on KKS on the Pekan track. The grant from the State was given 6 months before the race. That meant that they had 6 months to have the work completed. I was there 3 months before the race and had a look at the track. Most areas where the kerbs were had been removed. The new straight was graded but was not tarred. Paul had been pushing JKR there to complete all the works. All this time, Paul who was in charge was there with me. I want to make it known that we had wanted the track to be completed way ahead of the race to let the tarmac cure. If certain officials drag their feet, what can we do? We have absolutely no control over these people.

Before the race on saturday, TM was informed about the condition of the track. It is most likely he will have a few words to say to people concerned. I hope that all works will be in order for another race next year. I do apologise to all the drivers if there were short comings in the Pekan race. I have done what was within my capacity to make sure that the track was as safe as possible.

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Re: Yamaha SL Cup - Big Controversy

Postby kymehallion » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:49 pm

Great Weekend at Pekan, No one is ever 100% happy BUT I think it was a great weekend and well done to everyone.
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Re: Yamaha SL Cup - Big Controversy

Postby Paul » Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:32 am

If anyone has any issue with the decision made by the AAM Stewards, they should address questions to them.


What is AAM going to do about this issue?
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