Yamaha SL 2010

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Re: Yamaha SL 2010

Postby engine1 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:04 pm

MY Viewpoint its was just like last year SL Cup ! Lots of "modifications" , blueprinting sure, Scrutineers
did overlook some teams "illegal engines" thats Malaysia.
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Re: Yamaha SL 2010

Postby ace » Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:15 pm

engine1 wrote:MY Viewpoint its was just like last year SL Cup ! Lots of "modifications" , blueprinting sure, Scrutineers
did overlook some teams "illegal engines" thats Malaysia.


Wow, you sound like someone who tried to make it somewhere in racing and is now jealous of the Fauzys, Iruwans or even the Nabils for their dominance in Malaysian karting. I feel sorry for you but please don't be too down, failure happens to many.
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Re: Yamaha SL 2010

Postby iKart » Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:20 pm

engine1 wrote:MY Viewpoint its was just like last year SL Cup ! Lots of "modifications" , blueprinting sure, Scrutineers
did overlook some teams "illegal engines" thats Malaysia.



so there is 'kampung racing' in msia huh? nabil dominates almost everythng everytime o.O
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Re: Yamaha SL 2010

Postby Ryan104 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:16 pm

MY Viewpoint its was just like last year SL Cup ! Lots of "modifications" , blueprinting sure, Scrutineers
did overlook some teams "illegal engines" thats Malaysia.


I raced an engine out of the box for the 2008 and 2009 season and won the series both years. Never even opened my engine for an inspection the whole season. I didn't even use a mechanic for the season so there is no way my engine was touched when i was not around. That is a false comment if you are referring to all classes as the senior class was fair racing all season... you could see by the race long battles.

so buy a new engine, practice, chill out, and race.

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Re: Yamaha SL 2010

Postby Mikko Nassi » Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:48 am

engine1 wrote:Its a Campong race Cheating is part of the SL Cup always has been.

Guys comments like this are absolutely pointless when they're anonymous. :roll: Why should anyone give any credibility to anonymous comments that have no proof?

The only non-anonymous comments are backing the series up. Ryan's comments speak for themselves.

Then of course there anonymous comments dissing another series - again comments that will get very little credibility.

I don't know about the sealing regulations but at least in the past I believe the top engines are stripped down after the event? The point of sealing engines is of course so that you can't run an illegal engine in race 1 for example and then make it legal again for race 2. I don't see that happening though because there's not much point to it - first for it to be worthwhile it would be quite obvious and raise the attentions of the scrutineers.


First, you got to note that unlike Rotax engines, there is not much modifications that you can do to a Yamaha to give it significant power boost.

That's a little misleading imo. You can easily make a Yamaha rev 17,000... there's a lot you can do to any kart engine! Usually it is quite easy to spot if you have though.

The bottom-line is that every series will always have accusations of cheating (even if the engines are given out by the organisers!) - but only constructive criticism of the regulations will help. Baseless anoymous accusations will do nothing but harm the sport as a whole - yes even the series you think you're supporting by dissing the other series.

From what I've seen from both the RMC and Yamaha series' here the accusations are largely due to another driver getting his driving and setup spot-on and others thinking that he couldn't be that fast without cheating. --- Newsflash: get out there and setup your kart/engine/driver better! That's why there are accusations of cheating in every single motorsports series in the world - someone is faster than the guy making the accusations!

When there has been an out of this world performance both in the Yamaha and RMC series the scrutineers quite quickly figure out what is going on. We've seen DQs in both series' when there's very obviously something wrong (I'm talking 0.5sec+ advantage in the cadets around sepang for example).

Both series' bring outside Scrutineers - Yamaha has Ralph Van Doorn over and Rotax has had several different outside scrutineers (usually someone from Rotax). Both series' are doing a good job at curbing cheating imo. Like I said constructive criticism is good - while just saying "there's cheating going on there!" does nothing.

Remember that if you actually do know for certain that someone is cheating, and you know how then it's simply a matter of tipping off the organiser with reliable information and then that will be passed on to the scrutineers. Of course an appeal is the official way of going about things but any organiser will take credible information and act on it.

Like Ryan with his great performances in Yamaha my best engine and easiest win in Rotax has been with an engine taken straight out of the box without so much as a crank balance. What does that say? If there is cheating going on it's not being done very well. :!:

so buy a new engine, practice, chill out, and race.

so buy a new engine, practice, chill out, and race.

so buy a new engine, practice, chill out, and race.
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Re: Yamaha SL 2010

Postby Mikko Nassi » Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:05 am

iKart wrote:nabil dominates almost everythng everytime o.O

Fortunately that's because he knows how to drive a kart fairly fast. :wink:
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Re: Yamaha SL 2010

Postby Jules » Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:11 pm

Ryan104 wrote:
MY Viewpoint its was just like last year SL Cup ! Lots of "modifications" , blueprinting sure, Scrutineers
did overlook some teams "illegal engines" thats Malaysia.


I raced an engine out of the box for the 2008 and 2009 season and won the series both years. Never even opened my engine for an inspection the whole season. I didn't even use a mechanic for the season so there is no way my engine was touched when i was not around. That is a false comment if you are referring to all classes as the senior class was fair racing all season... you could see by the race long battles.

so buy a new engine, practice, chill out, and race.

cheers


Ryan, I like your answer - frank and straighforward.


Bugger all, this is just a sport rite? Just drive, have fun and when u win, great! I smile even when i come last...cos I did my very best and only i need to know! ( sorry old man rambling here but hoping to enlightened some of the writers here )

Last words : If u think Yammie not for u and not policed well - go open class.....and u can rev this to kingdom come and ur wallets cry! seen it all. Oh ya, there is no such open class legally ( me thinks ) but u can go underground if winning is all you want!
Why have 300hp when you cannot handle a kart's 30hp?
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Re: Yamaha SL 2010

Postby Jules » Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:23 pm

Mikko Nassi wrote:The bottom-line is that every series will always have accusations of cheating (even if the engines are given out by the organisers!) - but only constructive criticism of the regulations will help. Baseless anoymous accusations will do nothing but harm the sport as a whole - yes even the series you think you're supporting by dissing the other series.

From what I've seen from both the RMC and Yamaha series' here the accusations are largely due to another driver getting his driving and setup spot-on and others thinking that he couldn't be that fast without cheating. --- Newsflash: get out there and setup your kart/engine/driver better! That's why there are accusations of cheating in every single motorsports series in the world - someone is faster than the guy making the accusations!

When there has been an out of this world performance both in the Yamaha and RMC series the scrutineers quite quickly figure out what is going on. We've seen DQs in both series' when there's very obviously something wrong (I'm talking 0.5sec+ advantage in the cadets around sepang for example).

Both series' bring outside Scrutineers - Yamaha has Ralph Van Doorn over and Rotax has had several different outside scrutineers (usually someone from Rotax). Both series' are doing a good job at curbing cheating imo. Like I said constructive criticism is good - while just saying "there's cheating going on there!" does nothing.

Remember that if you actually do know for certain that someone is cheating, and you know how then it's simply a matter of tipping off the organiser with reliable information and then that will be passed on to the scrutineers. Of course an appeal is the official way of going about things but any organiser will take credible information and act on it.

Like Ryan with his great performances in Yamaha my best engine and easiest win in Rotax has been with an engine taken straight out of the box without so much as a crank balance. What does that say? If there is cheating going on it's not being done very well. :!:


Wise words from a a young pair of shoulders. Yes, we can all complaint and even babies do that when hungry. What do we do instead to improve matters and that shows our maturity and real passion for the sports.
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Re: Yamaha SL 2010

Postby JohnKing6 » Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:29 am

iKart wrote:
engine1 wrote:so there is 'kampung racing' in msia huh? nabil dominates almost everythng everytime o.O


Why is that that whenever there's a discussion about illegal engines, Nabil gets mentioned? As Mikko said, he's just bloody fast - he managed to finished 6th in the world finals last year with an engine supplied by Rotax (although presumably people will think we smuggled one of his illegal engines into Egypt!)

When Nabil drove from KRS, James Leong often (and sometimes successfully) offered to sell his engine, at list price, directly after races. The people that took up this offer never beat him afterwards.

I will make exactly the same offer now - for Nabil and any of my drivers engines. After any Rotax or SL Cup race, if you want to buy any of our engines, bring your chequebook and you can take the engine straight from scrutineering - and the chassis as well if you think the magic is in the setup. I can't speak for him of course but I'm pretty sure that James will do it in RMC for any of the KRS karts.
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Re: Yamaha SL 2010

Postby James Leong » Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:04 pm

Ha, I see John has taken over the hot seat. In not too long ago when Nabil was driving for me, it was always finger pointed at KRS for running illegal engines and Nabil was the end results. This is somehow very narrow minded thinking of the person. I have seen Nabil from when he was a cadet driver with me and then a junior. I have seen him drive even after one year of layoff when I ban him from my races. Yet he was able to jump into a kart and be on the podium.

You cannot take away natural talents and that's what Nabil has. I am glad he is where he is and I hope he will succeed further. I may not agree with the way he is managed presently but that does not meant that I dont value him as a good and competent driver. I personally feel that if he is left to do his driving and not subjected to all the publicity bullshit, he will achieve greater heights.

Please leave the boy alone and let him carry on with his driving. Let's see how he fares in Formula BMW and then we will all know if he is fluke or the real thing.

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Re: Yamaha SL 2010

Postby angelababy » Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:18 pm

The winner are supposed to be send to Japan for the SL Cup final but after winning the series, he was told that he cannot go because he did not use the Birel kart, when in the first place, the owner of the series did not specify that in order to qualify he need to use a Birel kart.
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